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		<title>By: Lee Carter</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha Quality, there should be more posts like this. Good read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha Quality, there should be more posts like this. Good read.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree with all of those of course, as not all of them have been true.

But you did forget number #9 - Bypass a sales team and go it your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree with all of those of course, as not all of them have been true.</p>
<p>But you did forget number #9 &#8211; Bypass a sales team and go it your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this wonderful post.  I really liked it and although I&#039;ve never used Craigslist because of it&#039;s reputation, I&#039;m sure that it&#039;s easy to find shitty clients on there.

I&#039;m sort of new to the business and can&#039;t seem to find a good client to save my life.  One guy today called me and wanted 4 joomla modules, wordpress integrated with joomla and a template complete with custom jQuery functions, all for a wonderful $300!!!  I wanted to laugh so hard but I gently let him down.  Now if you want a shitty client, I&#039;ll get you in touch with him.

Thanks again for the awesome post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this wonderful post.  I really liked it and although I&#8217;ve never used Craigslist because of it&#8217;s reputation, I&#8217;m sure that it&#8217;s easy to find shitty clients on there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sort of new to the business and can&#8217;t seem to find a good client to save my life.  One guy today called me and wanted 4 joomla modules, wordpress integrated with joomla and a template complete with custom jQuery functions, all for a wonderful $300!!!  I wanted to laugh so hard but I gently let him down.  Now if you want a shitty client, I&#8217;ll get you in touch with him.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the awesome post!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post! =D

And remember, don&#039;t ask your client what sort of budget they had in mind. You don&#039;t want to scare them away too early in the project by talking about money.

And all that note, don&#039;t ask for a deposit either. Shitty clients will eventually pay you, 18 months after the project is complete!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post! =D</p>
<p>And remember, don&#8217;t ask your client what sort of budget they had in mind. You don&#8217;t want to scare them away too early in the project by talking about money.</p>
<p>And all that note, don&#8217;t ask for a deposit either. Shitty clients will eventually pay you, 18 months after the project is complete!</p>
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		<title>By: Just Say No: How to Turn Down New Projects &#124; Fringe Focus</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Say No: How to Turn Down New Projects &#124; Fringe Focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sprites. They&#8217;re Awesome. Use Them. 8 Ways to Get Shitty Clients Less Janky — How to Stop Banding in Your Images 5 Tips to Nail Your Design Job Interview Kill [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sprites. They&#8217;re Awesome. Use Them. 8 Ways to Get Shitty Clients Less Janky — How to Stop Banding in Your Images 5 Tips to Nail Your Design Job Interview Kill [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Remy Francis</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Remy Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such an excellent post! Congrats! Every point is so true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such an excellent post! Congrats! Every point is so true.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
		<link>http://fringefocus.com/2010/freelancing/8-ways-to-get-shitty-clients/comment-page-1#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 is dead on. There is a countless amount of scumbags trying to screw you out of a buck on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 is dead on. There is a countless amount of scumbags trying to screw you out of a buck on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Loukotka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Loukotka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nicole

Live and learn.  We all made a lot of these mistakes when we were younger.

&quot;I price what I’m worth and I’m worth a lot&quot; - That is a great attitude.  If you&#039;re confident in your prices, you&#039;ll be confident with your work, which always leads to a more respectful relationship with a client. If you know that you&#039;re worth it, your clients will too.

Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicole</p>
<p>Live and learn.  We all made a lot of these mistakes when we were younger.</p>
<p>&#8220;I price what I’m worth and I’m worth a lot&#8221; &#8211; That is a great attitude.  If you&#8217;re confident in your prices, you&#8217;ll be confident with your work, which always leads to a more respectful relationship with a client. If you know that you&#8217;re worth it, your clients will too.</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for giving me a good laugh! I wish I had this posted in front of me when I first started out because I enter a lot of contests and lowered my prices severely to get clients. Trust me, I will never do that again. I price what I&#039;m worth and I&#039;m worth a lot :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for giving me a good laugh! I wish I had this posted in front of me when I first started out because I enter a lot of contests and lowered my prices severely to get clients. Trust me, I will never do that again. I price what I&#8217;m worth and I&#8217;m worth a lot <img src='http://fringefocus.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rob Loukotka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Loukotka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Val Woodhouse

It&#039;s hard when you&#039;re starting out.  If contests are the only work you can do to learn, then by all means do them. I think when we start out we all hit up craigslist or friends or other bad places to find work.

What&#039;s important is that you recognize the destructive aspects of spec work sites (or craigslist, etc.), and start finding quality work outside of that. If you want to make living as a designer, and not get burned out from stress... definitely avoid these places. The work itself doesn&#039;t kill you, it&#039;s the stress that comes with it, haha.

For those of you looking for GOOD clients, try hitting up local businesses, get your business cards out there.  Go to parties, networking events, meet people.  Eventually somebody cool will want to work with you, and that might even lead to referrals for more work.  Cool people lead to cool work, which means you&#039;ll get paid AND have fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Val Woodhouse</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard when you&#8217;re starting out.  If contests are the only work you can do to learn, then by all means do them. I think when we start out we all hit up craigslist or friends or other bad places to find work.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s important is that you recognize the destructive aspects of spec work sites (or craigslist, etc.), and start finding quality work outside of that. If you want to make living as a designer, and not get burned out from stress&#8230; definitely avoid these places. The work itself doesn&#8217;t kill you, it&#8217;s the stress that comes with it, haha.</p>
<p>For those of you looking for GOOD clients, try hitting up local businesses, get your business cards out there.  Go to parties, networking events, meet people.  Eventually somebody cool will want to work with you, and that might even lead to referrals for more work.  Cool people lead to cool work, which means you&#8217;ll get paid AND have fun.</p>
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